Sunday, September 28, 2025

"FINDING HELP WHEN YOUR CHILD IS EIGHTEEN!" Presentation at the Symposium (Sept. 24)

I included this not so much for those who have walked the journey with us, but more for future generations--to help them understand that we all did the best we could with the resources and knowledge that we had at the time--including Ben, us as parents, and the many helpers which surrounded us.  I believe in the future we will learn the actual biological processes which lead to schizophrenia (at least some fraction of what we call schizophrenia since I believe there are many different processes and illnesses lumped together at this point.) and our treatments will become more humane and life affirming rather than filled with stigma and losses.

FINDING HELP WHEN YOUR CHILD IS EIGHTEEN! 

On July 1st, 1971, the 26th Amendment to the U.S. Constitution was ratified, lowering the voting age from 21 to 18. This shift, which did not rely on scientific or medical definitions of adulthood, reflected societal changes. The same decade saw states follow suit, lowering the age of majority for legal purposes to 18. This significant change would later become very real for my family as we sought help for our 18-year-old son.

With our son- Ben’s permission, I am going to share a snapshot of our journey trying to get help for him in 2007, and then Dr. Grey will talk about that transition from adolescence to adult care, from a professional’s point of view.

And while our story was a bit messy, I want to say that he and we are the lucky ones.  We didn’t know what was going on, but we did have advantages from the start—our son as he began experiencing things he didn’t understand, retreated to our home; he didn’t use alcohol or drugs; we had excellent insurance and financial resources; and we had a great family nurse practitioner. I graduated in psychology and had a master’s degree in school psychology many years before. During college, I had worked a year in a psychiatric hospital for children and adolescents. We had a stable marriage and a great support network. Another advantage we had is that we had a younger child with Down syndrome and I spent her lifetime advocating for her and her needs.  Being an advocate became critical as we started this road with Ben. We didn’t know what was happening, but we started with confidence that we could find help for our son.

Ben experienced early symptoms during the latter part of his junior year of high school. When we saw his increasing anxiety and more rigid thinking, we offered for him to see a counselor, but he was not interested.  It didn’t make sense to “force” him. He was still functioning.  He was a good kid, getting good grades, working a part time job, and involved with friends and his Church group. But in the second term of his senior year, he began to disintegrate. Some days he went to school, but other days, he couldn’t make himself go. He stopped doing anything else outside our house.

In mid-December, I finally insisted that he either go to school or go see our family doctor to discuss why he was missing so much school.  That led to a 45-minute appointment with our nurse practitioner. We left with a referral to a psychiatrist on our insurance list for the middle of June—six months away, and instructions to take him to an ER as soon as possible—for anything remotely like him being a threat to himself or others. He reiterated that we did not want to wait until June.

Things continued to deteriorate. A couple of times, we found Ben outside in the freezing cold, pacing around the yard with a broomstick on his shoulder, convinced that our neighbors were trying to harm our family. On another occasion, he covered the windows in the basement with newspaper to "keep the evil out." His thoughts and conversations were consumed with the battle between good and evil, and rituals to "keep safe" became part of his routine, including spending an hour reading scriptures each morning before school.

I spent the first part of January on the phone.  First with our insurance—trying to get an earlier appointment with a psychiatrist-no luck.   I talked to someone at UNI-now the Huntsman-- about the best approach to make sure our son was admitted there.  I shared that our desire was for him to be admitted on the adolescent unit, which she first replied was not possible since he was 18. Even in my limited experience with in-patient units, I knew that my son, still a senior in high school, and very sick, would not do well in an adult unit. As we talked, she told me that the only way to do it was for us to get guardianship of him. We couldn’t get guardianship prior to the hospital admittance, but they would give us 48 hours for us to secure that.  Under that condition, they could admit him into the adolescent unit.  We then reached out to a neighbor who was a family law attorney to figure out what the legal and financial procedures were.  And we waited……

Can you hear me—trying to get all of the ducks in a row…in the middle of a hurricane?

The moment came on a Friday morning, when our son arrived home around 11:00 am from school and proceeded to tell us a convoluted tale about a car following him from the high school. After he calmed down, he headed down to his room while we worried—that is what parents do.  Later, I headed down to check on him and found him staring out a basement window across the street.  When I asked him what he was doing, he said, “I may have to kill those people because they are planning on hurting our family.” I reminded him they were all at work or school and that he could rest now. After he got in his bed, I went upstairs to my husband and said—"Good news—he has made a threat!”  Isn’t that terrible that my first response was relief, because now I might be able to get my son help?  Now our son was a calm and peaceful sort of person and even in that moment of time, there was no agitation or violence in him.  I didn’t worry that he would harm anyone BUT the words were like the “magic ticket”, so we moved into action.

I called UNI and spoke again to the admissions office.  They had no beds on the adolescent unit but were expecting two or three discharges that weekend. She suggested that I checked with them every 4 hours.  Saturday afternoon, UNI reported that they had a bed, and they would hold it for Ben, but we needed to head to the ER immediately.

We invited Ben to go get ice cream with us. As we got on the freeway heading to Salt Lake, he began to sense that something was going on and tried to get out of the car. Thank heavens for child proof locks! However, by the time we reached the U of U’s ER, he walked in with us with no difficulty. He performed flawlessly with the first two doctors who interviewed him.  He didn’t deny what he said, but said he was just kidding.  Both doctors cleared him to be discharged.  I refused—insisting that he be assessed by a social worker or another mental health professional.  The doctors were not happy but agreed.  The first few minutes with the social worker were the same, but as she began asking more difficult questions, his paranoia became apparent.  She made the arrangements to transport Ben by ambulance from the U of U ER to UNI. And our beloved son was taken—separated from us, beginning a journey we all never expected to be on.  It was about 4 hours later in the waiting room at UNI, that a doctor came down and told us that Ben was very afraid, but had settled down for the night.  He said, “We don’t know yet what is wrong, but your son is very sick.  And you did the right thing in getting him here…..and don’t forget you need to get guardianship by Monday.”

We called our attorney friend to arrange the petition early Sunday morning. And Monday morning, we were sitting in front of a judge asking for guardianship to maintain Ben’s placement.  The judge was clearly very unhappy about it, but gave us 7 days and a demand that if we wished to continue it, our son would need to appear in court himself. 

A week later, a sedated Ben was transported from UNI to the Davis County Courthouse so that we could request to continue guardianship so he could stay on the adolescent unit. In this court hearing as in the first one, our son had to be represented by his own attorney.  Another close neighbor who was a divorce attorney and a Church leader who had worked closely with our son represented him. The judge, still quite hostile to this whole situation, said to my son—“You are 18—an adult.  Why do you want your parents to take back control of you?”  Ben, who had hardly spoken since entering UNI, sat up and clearly stated, “I am sicker than I have ever been in my life.  Why wouldn’t I want my parents to help take care of me.” 

As a side note, we did return to court 6 months later to try to extend that guardianship, but the judge absolutely refused telling our son that he was an adult and he needed to learn to manage his health himself. Here was a judge who clearly didn’t understand severe mental illnesses and the systems and barriers surrounding getting him care. 

During his stay, Ben was diagnosed with schizophrenia and started his first antipsychotic. Upon discharge, he was followed up by a provider at the U of U clinic as we waited still for that June appointment with our insurance psychiatrist.  We went to that appointment but discovered that he had little experience with individuals with schizophrenia, so we returned to the U of U clinic and self-paid for the next five years until we folded all of his care into Davis Behavioral Health.

Lessons Learned

  1. Support Early Psychosis Treatment Centers: We strongly believe in the importance of early psychosis treatment centers that are open to everyone, regardless of insurance status. The sooner a person can get help, the better the long-term prognosis.
  2. Educate Providers: We need to ensure that all health professionals—pediatricians, school counselors, family doctors, even law enforcement—are educated about available resources for early intervention and mental health support. These clinics should be as visible as suicide prevention campaigns.
  3. Make Guardianship Accessible: In times of crisis, guardianship should be a straightforward process. While we had the resources and the people to navigate the legal and financial hurdles, many families don’t. We need to find ways to support parents in securing guardianship when their adult children are unable to care for themselves.
  4. Mental Illness and Homelessness: As society grapples with these issues, it’s essential to remember that these individuals are human beings—someone’s son, daughter, or sibling. Support for families is critical for helping those struggling with mental illness, particularly when they don’t recognize their own need for care and they are in crisis.

I want to end with an incident that happened a month before our son was hospitalized for the first time.  The doorbell rang and I answered it to find my son’s best friend standing on our porch with a plate of cookies.  He said shyly, “I haven’t seen Ben around anymore and I know he isn’t doing well.  I didn’t know what to do so I asked my mom to make him a plate of cookies.” It was a simple moment—and a plate of cookies didn’t fix anything, but it stood and stands as a beacon to me—we are not alone, people cared about Ben and about us—It is terrible to be living with these severe brain disorders, and it can feel impossible sometimes to care for someone with one.  We as a society need to do better to help those impacted and the families who love them.  Thank you.

The Symposium for Salt Lake County Law Enforcement, Legal, and Mental Health Workers (Sept. 24)

Since April/May, our coalition (Utah Shattering Silence Coalition) has been working with the Salt Lake DA's office to organize and support this workshop.  I didn't really do much pre-work other than brainstorming and doing an interview which was cut down to 5 minutes and shown as one of the videos on the day of the conference.

I had to provide a photo for our bios as I was also one of the presenters at the conference.  We took several--and we ended up using my Facebook profile which has Gary and I which I liked better.  But for future generations--here is a photo of me at 70 years old---NOT to be used for a funeral program in the future, by the way. 

The conference was held in Salt Lake at the DA's office so everyone had to go through a metal detector to enter the venue.  (One psychiatrist who was coming to the office as an expert witness ended up accidently thinking he had to register at our desk as well to get into the offices of the attorney he was meeting with. Oops.) 
I ran the registration table for the conference (and 5:50 is way too early for me to get up these days.)

My presentation was focused on finding help for Ben when he first got ill and some of our adventures in that process.  I have included the script although I didn't read it when I present it.  It is fairly close to what I shared.  People were very complimentary so that was good.  I didn't realize that they were going to play my video in a group of three as we transitioned from lunch into my presentation and so mine was shown right before I spoke.  I also didn't know what part of my 30 minutes interview was going to be shown at the conference.  As it turned out, it focused most on our personal story and experiences which was a nice lead in for my remarks, but also allowed me to shorten a few things in my remarks.  (And I am glad that I didn't wear the same shirt in the interview for the workshop.  That would have felt a bit awkward.  :) )

We ended up having about 110 people register for in person (probably about 90 attended and an amazing 180 people online.  Hopefully it will start some conversations and move things in a better direction in both Salt Lake County and in the state.

Glad to have it done and I don't think it could have gone any better. (Even the lunch menu was awesome.) Sim Gill, the SL DA, is hoping to do a town hall meeting next spring to continue this conversation.  Exciting stuff----

Our next big event is a movie screening of "Nobody Likes Crazy People" in December, but we have lots of work to do before then preparing for the upcoming legislative session in the spring.

"Bye Bye Birdie"

Kenzie, one of Jena's friends, was in another play.  This time it was at the outside theatre in North Ogden.  It was a perfect night and a fun play to watch.

Waiting for the show--
what did we do before we did selfies??
That is why there are few pictures of
moms in the past because they were taking the photos.

Have stool, will travel even to the play

Jena and Kenzie

Theatre adds such a spice to life.  I feel sad for my friends who don't love it (or who have spouses who don't).  However, I am not one that attends lots of concerts, especially current artists--so it is good that we are different and can love different things.  That makes us each unique in our own way and allows us to explore different adventures.  And I am grateful for the time and talent that people put into these productions whether here in North Ogden, at the Hale Theatre or on Broadway (actually haven't been there yet, but on my list.)

Jena's Surprise Party

Some of Jena's friends showed up on the evening of her birthday with pizza and ice cream sandwiches to surprise her.  (They had reached out to us to make sure she would be here.)  She was delighted and loved having them here, eating and talking and then playing games together.  She even gave them a tour of her room--which was super fun for a couple of them as they also are theatre lovers and went to Clearfield High School--so they loved her theatre posters and pictures of old friends.




Jena working on her answer for Blank Slate

Game Time

Bedroom tour
Family and friends--that makes the world go around!!   (I know the forces of gravity, laws of physics and all of the laws God used makes the world go around literally, but you know what I mean.)


September Birthday Celebrations

When Jessica was expecting the twins, she repeatedly told them (while they were in the womb) that they did not want to come in September, because we already had enough family birthdays in that month, but October would be perfect. So, of course, they were born on September 30---they didn't want to miss out on the "Big Birthday Bash!"

We gathered to celebrate everyone's birthday yesterday Sept. 27--except for Gary who filled in for someone at the temple in the morning.

The birthday people--Ben, Alex, Elessia, Carter, Jena (missing Gary)

This year, we added number candles for everyone----I didn't have any matches so we didn't burn any candles this year.  Hopefully birthday wishes are still good. :)
Hats for the younger birthday girls....

Lunch at the Asian Buffet---
Somehow I missed getting pictures with Jessica and Elessia but they were there as well.

Carter and Alex were able to open their presents from us at our gathering yesterday.

They were so darling and so excited about their gifts, even their books.  Carter started reading her new book while she still had another present to unwrap---I think we are related!
Jessica and Elessia gave Jena some new theatre soxs.  She loves them!

Now I will back up and add a few photos from our smaller celebrations for Ben, Gary, and Jena----

We took donuts to Journey House where Ben spends his days Monday through Friday.  He invited Jena and I to come for lunch to eat the lunch he picked for his birthday--Fried chicken fingers and baked Mac and Cheese....and the donuts were dessert.  It was good to meet the staff in person and some of the other clients who also attend there.

And for his cake, he chose an ice cream cake from Baskins Robbins.  It has been many many years since we had tried one of these.  It was expensive, but very yummy.  He chose an Oreo mint cake.

This birthday was special for Gary and I, because it was the first time in a very long time that Ben expressed how excited he was for his birthday.  He made a list for me of things he wanted and as he opened his gifts, he was peacefully happy...and there were smiles from time to time.  It might seem like a simple thing in the middle of life--but it was important for us.  I hope he can hold on to those memories and feelings for a long time (at least until his next birthday!)

Next up was Gary's---he and I tried out a new-to-us Thai Restaurant across from Smith's.  It was good (not as good as Pad Thai in Ft. Smith, but it was enjoyable and we will go again for sure.


Gary's stack of presents
(not sure how we missed taking pictures during
Ben's present opening. Enjoying the moment, I guess.)


Jena's celebration was pretty late on the day of her birthday (actually that probably happened to all of the kids many times during their lifetime as we tried to wait for everyone to be home.)--hers was late for a different reason (see next posts),but still fun---

She wanted to pose with her gifts.

Ben and Jena taking a selfie

Jena has gathered so many notes, photos, and memories that we need to get things organized with her.  This is one of three different scrapbooks which we gave her to help in that process.

Elessia's birthday is on the same day as Jena.  I am not sure what they did to celebrate with Jessica's crazy schedule of work and school and internship, but hope they fit some fun in there somewhere.  Carter and Alex's birthday is this coming week and we will be taking them to dinner at Denny's tomorrow night to celebrate with them alone. Ben was the one who picked Asian Buffet for our Big Birthday Bash.

So, still a bit more partying going on, but almost through the September celebrations.

I feel so blessed to have all of these people in my life!  I am so grateful to God for all six of them!

Walking at Jensen Pond

finally, I have felt stable enough to take my morning walks down to Jensen Pond.  I have been walking there for the past 2 weeks.  I am finally up to 2 miles in 43 minutes--slow but making progress.

Finally--Grandchildren time (Sept. 15)

only with the Utah half, but it was fun to finally feel well enough after my surgery to have them over for a few hours while Jessica and Elessia took care of some meetings in Salt Lake. They loved becoming reacquainted with our toys which have been packed for years.  The train was the big hit on this Monday afternoon.

Ezri wanted to pose with the flowers.....


Train building-- Grandpa Giberson would be proud of our builders--hoping to pass the love of trains to the next generation.

Ezri was thrilled to find some dolls and have a little spot where she could play.


Reflection

I walked into my bathroom on afternoon to discover this rainbow prism on my floor.  I have lived here 27 years and never have seen this.  Of course, my bathroom floor used to be green which might have not allowed for this type of reflection.  But this floor has been down for about 9 months.  I couldn't see anything that would cause it although the light definitely was coming through our small bathroom window.  It lasted just a couple of minutes as the sun moved along its way.

I loved stuff like this.  Nature delighting us in tiny little ways in the middle of the ordinary.
 

Sunday, September 14, 2025

Ramping Up On the "Normal Life" Stuff

When I first learned that I needed a more extensive surgery on the artery in my left leg, I knew that either I did it early in August or not until mid-October. September was even back then a busy month for me.  I am glad that I am approaching the 4 week mark post surgery now, because life is busy as I expected and we haven't even started the birthday celebrations yet.  That starts this week with Ben's birthday on Wednesday.

Last Monday, I started attending Sister Theresa Collin's class down in Draper entitled "Living Inside Your Temple Covenants." Yes, it is the same Sister Collins who was our mission leader in Arkansas--that is why it is worth driving an hour each Monday to have this learning experience together.  It was amazing.  They had to move it to the Chapel since over 80 people have signed up to attend.  Fortunately, she used a mic and had mics for people to use when they responded to questions which is so nice for those of us who struggle with hearing especially in a large room like that.  

It is going to be a great 8 weeks even though I will miss two of the classes as we travel in October.

We attended a funeral Tuesday morning (see next post), but then Tuesday moved forward with my typical Zoom meeting with the Utah Shattering Silence Coalition, Jena's dance class and Gary's Bishopric meeting.  Gary has also been busy installing leave guards on our rain gutters which has taken some time each day this past week when the weather hasn't been too hot.  Gary is just so good at figuring things out and then doing them.  I appreciate that so much.

We attended the temple twice this week--Wednesday night with our Ward and then again on Thursday which is our typical day.  This was the first week I have been to the temple since my surgery and it went well.  I took my little stool and Gary arranged for me to sit where I could use it.

I can't remember if I have shared these amazing stools Gary got for me.  I have one under my desk and then one I carry in the car.  It was a bit noisy to open, especially in the temple.


Jena and I had to leave her Institute class at little bit early on Wednesday to make it in time for the Ward Temple Night.  Jena said she was too dressed up for Institute, but it was okay.
A bit overcast when we arrived at the temple....
But beautiful at night when we left!  It was the first time I had walked through the grounds at night since it was dedicated and I loved the lights and how they enhanced the flower beds and walkways.

Of course, Thursday was Sept. 11, so we posted both of our flags in honor of those who died in that tragic event.  



It was been another tragic week with the killing of Charles Kirk at UVU campus in Orem, UT.  I didn't even know who he was (because I avoid most news these days) and I probably don't agree with much that he talked about or the way that he talked about it, but this type of thing should never be okay.  Killing is not a solution for not agreeing with someone else.  Tragic all the way around.

Thursday evening after attending the temple, I with Gary's help led our support group for parents at DBH.  This time we had a speaker, Dave McKay, who is the director of programs for adults at DBH.  He stayed the whole time, talking and answering questions.  He provided his direct line to the parents to reach out to him if they needed some specific help finding services.  It was so great.

Friday, I attended a monthly meeting in Salt Lake with another mental illness advocacy group which is mostly professionals.  We are all getting ready for our symposium on September 24.  The room was meant for 75 people and they have had over 100 sign up for in person and about 30 for online.  It is great and we are excited to involve more people in our advocacy to support those with severe mental illnesses in our community.  Jena went to her Friend to Friend theatre class--one of the highlights of her week.

Saturday, Gary and I helped clean our Church building at 8:00 a.m. I usually am waking up at 8:00 am this days.  I ended up on the bathroom and mopping duty.  

And, of course, today was Church and then we met for our tithing declaration in the afternoon with our Bishop.

Yes, life is back to "normal".  I am tired and I try to prop my foot up whenever I can.  Monday, Tuesday, and Wednesday, I overdid a bit and ended up with swelling in my leg.  They say that can happen for several months after this surgery, but I have done pretty well at managing it usually.  I did better later in the week even while doing actually housework on Saturday. I am actually quite impressed with how well my incisions are healing and how "tidy" they are. I walked a mile on Friday and Saturday--a slow mile but I did it.  I think I will move back to Jensen Park this week.

And that is a wrap for getting back to life.....

A Funeral

Not really a "normal" event, but getting a bit more common as we age--On Tuesday, Gary and I attended a funeral for Mel Thatcher, a friend from Hong Kong days.  He was a remarkable man who for over 30 years negotiated and obtained family records from all over the world for Family Search.  He was brilliant and was highly regarded in this field, publishing many articles especially in Chinese.  I served in a YW presidency with his wife, Tuan, who is equally as amazing as him.  At the time we knew them, they only had three of their six children living with them in Hong Kong but they basically raised their family in Asia living in Hong Kong a couple of times, Japan, Singapore and the Philippines.  

It was good to see his children that we knew and to meet the other ones.  And it was also great to see some of our old Hong Kong friends--Allan Anderson, Pat Jones and his wife--whose name I can't remember, and Eileen Bradford.  We learned later that Joyce Abernathy was also there, but we missed seeing her.

His impact on gathering records is beyond measuring. One of the speakers who worked with him at Family Search said that even Family Search doesn't have a way to track how many collections he gathered --or arranged to have microfiched or digitized depending on the time period. Millions and millions of people are now available to be found and researched because of his work and tireless research to track down and to acquire these important records.  And did I say he was brilliant??

You know sometimes when you are at a funeral for someone like Mel who was amazing professionally but also as a human being--a husband, father and grandfather, you might feel like your life is unimportant in comparison. That might be a natural human feeling.  However, during that funeral, what I found was a feeling of gratitude for the way my life unfolded, how my talents and gifts have been used, and how I have been able to touch others--not millions, probably not even hundreds--but one by one--and an overwhelming feeling that just like Mel used his gifts, I have been able to use mine--not perfectly, but in ways that God has intended. We all have a place on this earth and there is a plan in place for us to grow individually but also to help others---and it is highly individualized for each person. There is a meme which says something like "Be the best YOU you can be.  There isn't anyone else who can."

Another sweet part of the funeral was my interactions with the Thatchers' children.  Joseph, Suzette, and Leah lived in Hong Kong when we did and the two girls were in YWs when we served with their mom.  Joseph was the first one I saw and I loved his response to me and the sense that it was meaningful to him to share this day with us and other HK friends. Next I saw Beckie--who I really never met, maybe in passing at their 50th wedding anniversary a number of years ago. I said, "Hi, we are the Halls.  We knew your parents in Hong Kong.:  She immediately said, "You are Judy. You have children who are adopted. We do too. My mom loves you and has talked to me about your experiences."  Leah and Suzette both said something similar--our parents loved you and your family.  Suzette said, "I will never forget what a good friend you were to my mom back in Hong Kong."  She was 15 years old then and a bit of a rebellious daughter---yet she noticed and appreciated my friendship with her mom.  We never know when others are watching and remembering.

What a blessing to know Mel and Tuan Thatcher----living in Hong Kong--the gift which keeps on giving.

Til we meet again, sweet Mel!