Sunday, October 19, 2025

Quick Visit (Oct. 4 and 5--Days Two and Three)

We enjoyed sharing General Conference with Valerie and Austin (and the rest of the world as well).  It was awesome. It was an interesting moment in time between the death of President Nelson and his funeral, and the Church and the world were definitely mourning this great man, but the Church has systems in place and things proceeded the way they needed to and the prepared talks were perfect for now and the next 6 months.  Of course, we missed President Nelson--but at 101, he had lived a life that few can match or even imagine. He can "rest" if that is what happens--actually I believe he stepped right into the work there without too much sightseeing along the way. That is his style.

We were blessed to have a visit with Landi and Lance on Saturday night (no photo) and then Justin and his three kids came to visit between sessions...photo below.  No pictures of Valerie and Austin but they were there as well as Lynette who came over for Saturday.  Fun to see sisters any time.

Justin with Carson, Kendall and Jayden


On the Road Again--To Mesa and Oro Valley (Oct. 3-Day One)


Here are the FOUR of us heading to our long awaited trip to Arizona--first stop Mesa to spend time with Valerie and Austin and watch a BYU football game (Friday night) and General Conference on Saturday and Sunday. Then on to Oro Valley for a few days with Scott, Chantel, Scarlett, and James.  It was hot, but it was fun and a great break from "recovering".  We were so glad Ben joined us and so proud that even though it was hard for him to be out of routine and other things, he came and he had fun.

On Highway 20 and then 89 on the way to Kanab, Utah.  Fall colors everywhere....




And then south of Page....


A dust storm ...
Coming into Flagstaff, AZ.

And on into Mesa area...

(sorry, poor picture because of the sun and the dirty car windows, but the Saquoia are always amazing.)





Outside Views

One of the pleasures of rainy days in watching and listening to our rain chain.  Everyone needs one.  They are magical.  There was lots of rain while we were out of town (more on that in the next post) and it led to wet carpet in the room formerly known as Scott's room.
Gary has been working on cleaning out our gutters and putting guards in place to help them stay clean from leaves and stuff which caused the overflowing in the game room window well which led to a wet game room.  When we got home, Gary checked those gutters by the room that got flooded and they were clear.  So we are not sure why that room flooded but now need to get new carpet so we can move things back into that room which is now our guest room (will be that is.)
Gary got this orange stabilizer for the ladder.
It works well and makes us both feel better
about Gary working on the gutters and using the ladder.
While I have been in recovery mode, Gary continues to work on fixing and repairing and getting things ready for the winter.  He has been amazing.

Temple Work

On September 25, I did the initiatory work for Susanna Gale.  Look when her baptism and confirmation were done--in 1918!!!! I have never seen that early of dates without the rest of the work being done at some point afterwards.  I came home and told Gary that I had to do her endowment as soon as possible which I was able to do on the 30th.  Then last week, we sealed her to her parents.  She definitely was celebrating in the spirit world.

Temple work is a very interesting type of service.  It isn't really face to face service since we are doing work for those who have died.  However, there are moments when you feel glimpses of their awareness and joy.  Not every time, but it is there so much in the sweet peaceful places in the temple.
 

I Belong to The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints

Along with the family fun we shared that weekend, some somber news also occurred as our beloved prophet, President Russell M. Nelson passed away at the age of 101. He was an incredible leader, human being, and Apostle of Jesus Christ.  We as a Church and me as an individual have been so blessed by his inspired leadership and teachings.

This was followed the next day (Sunday morning) with a terrible attack on a Church in Grand Blanc, Michigan where a man drove his car into the Church building during Sacrament meeting and then got out and began shooting people and also set the Chapel on fire. People were killed and injured along with the shooter who took his own life.  Horrific event---although there have been stories of heroes and miracles during and after the event.  The people have, publicly anyway, been such great examples of forgiveness and mercy toward the shooter and towards what has happened.  That is truly Saints in action including a gofund me account set up by a ward member to raise money for the family of the shooter who are now without their sole provider.  The reasons are not clear for the attack, but reasons don't really matter--it is how we stand up and show up when terrible things happen what makes the difference. They have been amazing.

Needless to say, the Church has been in the news a lot over the past few weeks with this stuff happening, the tributes to President Nelson, then General Conference, and then the naming of the new prophet and First Presidency on October 14--

President Oaks--center  prophet
Left-President Eyring (1st counselor)
Right-President Christofferson (2nd counselor)
When we were at the Draper Temple, President Collins stated that we probably never expected to be sitting in a sealing room with him as our sealer, but it was a dream come true for him--if he had thought to dream it.  I could also say the same about President Oaks---I didn't expect my University president to become my prophet--but I can't imagine anyone more prepared and ready to lead than President Oaks.  It is his time and place and he has been prepared for "such a time as this."  This is my testimony of our prophet.  We certainly thank God for our prophet.

Sharing the Rainbow

One day also at the end of September, I took this first picture of a bit of a rainbow in the sky.
Within a few minutes, Jessica posted a photo of a double rainbow from her location...

and shortly afterwards I turned around and saw it too--from Jensen Park.

Elessia reminded us of the physics of rainbows and each angle really sees a different "rainbow" through the prisms created by the mix of water and light.  But it was fun to share that with Jessica on her way to work and on my walk.  The world is amazing!!!


 

Happy Birthday, Alex and Carter!!

Although their actual birthday was on Tuesday, I along with Ben and Jena picked the two girls up on Monday evening for their birthday dinner.  They chose Denny's and we headed there for dinner (or in my case and Alex and Carter--breakfast.)  I had yummy pumpkin pecan pancakes. Yummy!

Doing the games on the back of the kid's menu

They love stuffies and this claw machine
was stuffed with them--but I don't like those machines
so couldn't agree to let them do it.
No worries, Elessia is a master and they went
together on their birthday and won some stuffies.

Carter with her birthday cake pancakes

Alex with her chocolate chip pancakes

My dinner companions--I am very blessed person!
Have I mentioned that having grandchildren is the best!!!



Fall Colors

Near the end of September, I finally "graduated" from walking in the neighborhood to walk again at Jensen Pond.  I love the colors of even the weeds along the pathways I walk.  Back then I was able to walk about 1 mile slowly, but now (October 19) I have been walking about 45 minutes and just over 2 miles.  Recovering is going well, and the beauty of the world is a great cheerleader.



from the Draper Temple

 

Draper Utah Temple

 On Saturday, while Gary was serving in the Syracuse Temple, Jena and I had the opportunity to attend a sealing session in the Draper Utah Temple where our mission leader now serves as a sealer.  Our group included Elder and Sister Griffin, Sister Ashe, Sister Beagley, and Elder and Sister (Fleming) Harrison who just got married in August.  It was a tender and holy time to be together.

This was our first time to the Draper Temple so we got some fun photos before and after our service.

The Draper Utah Temple as fall is starting


It has a pretty location tucked into the hills and the fall colors were just starting.  Breathtaking!
The House of the Lord---and aren't the clouds amazing!


After the session, we walked around the whole temple (interrupting both a wedding shoot and a family photo shoot along the way)--the following photos are on the side facing the Salt Lake Valley--and the clouds!!!!




The temples are truly the House of the Lord.  And while they are so beautiful, the real beauty is the work and covenants found inside. Order your life to be able to spend time inside in service to God and your fellow human beings.



Gathering With the Amazing ABM Missionaries

That means the Arkansas Bentonville Mission and missionaries in case you have forgotten.  How we love them and cherished our time to reconnect with them, have small conversations to share love and encouragement to each of them as they move forward in their young adult lives. And to be with the Collins and the other senior missionaries is always a gift.  One of the blessings of a senior mission--you are friends with amazing people!

Watching the young missionaries greet each other
is such a pleasure.  One of my favorite parts of us gathering.
How much greater it will be when we meet each other
and all of our family and friends in the life hereafter.
Priceless!


Back:  Elder and Sister Griffin--home one week, Sister and Elder Stephenson (from Kansas came to join us), President and Sister Collins, us, Sister Lawry, and Jena in front.

I missed smiling on all of these shots with Elder Handley
and Sister Holding

Jena got herself in lots of pictures with missionaries.
Here is another one I took with Sister Beagley and Sister Savage (who got engaged that afternoon
to another missionary from the ABM although they had not served near each other in the mission.)

And, yes, I know that they have first names and I probably should use them, but in my heart, they are Elder or Sister forever.   Love them!!!

The Desires of My Heart

Since Wednesday, I have been reflecting on writing this post and since it is already 9:48 pm, (And here it is--October 19th and I am just back finishing it up to post it.) I might not get it all written tonight in quite the way that I would like. Let see how it goes.  It is so difficult to write the feelings of the Spirit into regular typed words, and it never feels quite right to read. However, to not record it would be wrong (okay, I know I have basically a lifetime without writing a journal and recording other amazing tender mercies and incredible gifts of revelation.  It is so sad for sure.  I am trying to recall and record my remembered, treasured experiences to be share in some format in the future.  The blog somewhat covers the time since 2010, but only in the past several years have I been a bit freer in sharing the most personal things of the spirit. But as I have pondered these experiences, I have been so grateful to God which I have expressed in prayer many times since Wednesday BUT I know that I need to write them down so here is goes.)

The back story:  (There is always a back story which allows you to be prepared for the "current" story as it unfolds.) In the last part of our mission , I had done a bit of studying and thinking and pondering on the concept of Desire.  It was the BOLD word on my whiteboard in Arkansas. We are promised in many places that if we are faithful or some other adjective, God will grant the desires of our hearts.

My board in Arkansas with my desire web
Since we have been home, I have somewhat left that study behind although the word desire always catches my attention in the scriptures and in talks and especially in Conference addresses.  My main question revolves around:  Where do my desires come from?--I have many that I felt I came with--even as simple as desire or a knowing that I would see a water buffalo in a field in person or a Buddhist monk in his orange robe; having five children, getting married in the Provo Temple, the list goes on and on.  These were desires of mine that came to pass in miraculous ways.  Truly God has blessed me to receive these desires of my heart. How do I make sure that the desires of my heart match what God has planned for me?  And how do I recognize and rid myself of desires which are NOT what the Lord wants for me? I definitely try to not desire bad things, of course, but I think there are good things which I need to leave behind as well. There are pieces of this pondering which are still bouncing around in my mind which aren't related to the story that I will finally tell after one more back story moment--

As part of the class I am taking on Monday mornings, we were challenged to be in the temple more and to take our questions to God and seek revelation and miracles will happen.  My first reaction was that I really don't have any questions which I need answered right now.  Miracles which I would like to happen for any of my children are mostly related to their choices and agency and I respect their ability to choose even if I don't like their choices.  The only other thing I want is for Ben to be healed and I don't expect that to happen in our mortal life.  Now we have had some amazing experiences regarding Ben and who he is and the main comfort I have is an understanding that he is in God's hands and his schizophrenia is not an accident, but it is the way that he is able to fill the "measure of his creation."  God has a plan for Ben just like he has for me and you--and schizophrenia is not a side trip at the moment, but is the exact path God intended him to be on at this time in his life.  Ben is fulfilling the measure of his creation by moving forward each day despite of the terrible effects of this illness. So why would I pray about that?

AND NOW THE STORY  (finally):

Wednesday at the symposium there was a wide sampling of professionals there--judges, legislators, county and city council members, social workers, lawyers, non-profit owners, parole and jail workers, etc.  Since it was based in Salt Lake and was focused most on their county, I didn't think I would know very many people there.

At one break, Eric Tadehara approached me.  He was Ben's first therapist at Davis Behavioral Health.  He wasn't sure I would even recognize him but I did.  Eric was a brand-new therapist just finished with school when he started working with Ben--maybe back in 2010 and really just for a short time maybe 6 months or so.  Eric now works on the state level in the Mental Health offices. He first checked in on how Ben was doing. He then tells me, "I wanted to let you know that Ben is one of the clients who has provided so much direction to my career.  Probably because he was near my age and was just figuring out so much about his illness that it really helped me to understand schizophrenia in a better way. He is one of the reasons I knew that I wanted to work in improving the lives and systems which impact those with SMI.  When I am in meetings even now, I often think about how this change or this policy might help people like Ben do better or have better support or whatever.  I want you to know that he made a difference in my life and I am grateful to him."

The next break, Debbie (can't remember her last name) approached me.  Her face I had recognized earlier but wasn't sure where I knew her from.  As she spoke to me, I remember her--she had worked in Step Forward with Ben as a case manager--maybe 2012 again for just a few months.  She shared many of the same thoughts and feelings as Eric did.  That because of the way Ben presented in his illness, because of his kind and peaceful nature, he had impacted her career as well.  She too thinks of him often as she continues to work with this population now down in Salt Lake County.

That is what happened--the factual part of the experience.  But the spiritual part was much more powerful--seriously at the end of the conference when I sat in the car, I cried.  Just a few days before, I had thought in my heart that I didn't need a miracle for Ben because I had already had those answers in the past.  But in His great goodness, God through Eric and Debbie reminded me that the truths I knew and know are real.  Ben is touching people along the way, making a difference in other's lives for the good.

My "desire" for Ben to be healed will come at the right time and the right way--on this earth or in the resurrection.  It mattered not. As long as he and by extension we desire to do the best we can and to fulfill "the measure of his (and our) creation."  I didn't need that reminder--but it was a gift from God that I will never forget.  God watches us and His desires are to bless us--and sometimes that comes from unexpected conversations during a symposium in Salt Lake City.  


Sunday, September 28, 2025

"FINDING HELP WHEN YOUR CHILD IS EIGHTEEN!" Presentation at the Symposium (Sept. 24)

I included this not so much for those who have walked the journey with us, but more for future generations--to help them understand that we all did the best we could with the resources and knowledge that we had at the time--including Ben, us as parents, and the many helpers which surrounded us.  I believe in the future we will learn the actual biological processes which lead to schizophrenia (at least some fraction of what we call schizophrenia since I believe there are many different processes and illnesses lumped together at this point.) and our treatments will become more humane and life affirming rather than filled with stigma and losses.

FINDING HELP WHEN YOUR CHILD IS EIGHTEEN! 

On July 1st, 1971, the 26th Amendment to the U.S. Constitution was ratified, lowering the voting age from 21 to 18. This shift, which did not rely on scientific or medical definitions of adulthood, reflected societal changes. The same decade saw states follow suit, lowering the age of majority for legal purposes to 18. This significant change would later become very real for my family as we sought help for our 18-year-old son.

With our son- Ben’s permission, I am going to share a snapshot of our journey trying to get help for him in 2007, and then Dr. Grey will talk about that transition from adolescence to adult care, from a professional’s point of view.

And while our story was a bit messy, I want to say that he and we are the lucky ones.  We didn’t know what was going on, but we did have advantages from the start—our son as he began experiencing things he didn’t understand, retreated to our home; he didn’t use alcohol or drugs; we had excellent insurance and financial resources; and we had a great family nurse practitioner. I graduated in psychology and had a master’s degree in school psychology many years before. During college, I had worked a year in a psychiatric hospital for children and adolescents. We had a stable marriage and a great support network. Another advantage we had is that we had a younger child with Down syndrome and I spent her lifetime advocating for her and her needs.  Being an advocate became critical as we started this road with Ben. We didn’t know what was happening, but we started with confidence that we could find help for our son.

Ben experienced early symptoms during the latter part of his junior year of high school. When we saw his increasing anxiety and more rigid thinking, we offered for him to see a counselor, but he was not interested.  It didn’t make sense to “force” him. He was still functioning.  He was a good kid, getting good grades, working a part time job, and involved with friends and his Church group. But in the second term of his senior year, he began to disintegrate. Some days he went to school, but other days, he couldn’t make himself go. He stopped doing anything else outside our house.

In mid-December, I finally insisted that he either go to school or go see our family doctor to discuss why he was missing so much school.  That led to a 45-minute appointment with our nurse practitioner. We left with a referral to a psychiatrist on our insurance list for the middle of June—six months away, and instructions to take him to an ER as soon as possible—for anything remotely like him being a threat to himself or others. He reiterated that we did not want to wait until June.

Things continued to deteriorate. A couple of times, we found Ben outside in the freezing cold, pacing around the yard with a broomstick on his shoulder, convinced that our neighbors were trying to harm our family. On another occasion, he covered the windows in the basement with newspaper to "keep the evil out." His thoughts and conversations were consumed with the battle between good and evil, and rituals to "keep safe" became part of his routine, including spending an hour reading scriptures each morning before school.

I spent the first part of January on the phone.  First with our insurance—trying to get an earlier appointment with a psychiatrist-no luck.   I talked to someone at UNI-now the Huntsman-- about the best approach to make sure our son was admitted there.  I shared that our desire was for him to be admitted on the adolescent unit, which she first replied was not possible since he was 18. Even in my limited experience with in-patient units, I knew that my son, still a senior in high school, and very sick, would not do well in an adult unit. As we talked, she told me that the only way to do it was for us to get guardianship of him. We couldn’t get guardianship prior to the hospital admittance, but they would give us 48 hours for us to secure that.  Under that condition, they could admit him into the adolescent unit.  We then reached out to a neighbor who was a family law attorney to figure out what the legal and financial procedures were.  And we waited……

Can you hear me—trying to get all of the ducks in a row…in the middle of a hurricane?

The moment came on a Friday morning, when our son arrived home around 11:00 am from school and proceeded to tell us a convoluted tale about a car following him from the high school. After he calmed down, he headed down to his room while we worried—that is what parents do.  Later, I headed down to check on him and found him staring out a basement window across the street.  When I asked him what he was doing, he said, “I may have to kill those people because they are planning on hurting our family.” I reminded him they were all at work or school and that he could rest now. After he got in his bed, I went upstairs to my husband and said—"Good news—he has made a threat!”  Isn’t that terrible that my first response was relief, because now I might be able to get my son help?  Now our son was a calm and peaceful sort of person and even in that moment of time, there was no agitation or violence in him.  I didn’t worry that he would harm anyone BUT the words were like the “magic ticket”, so we moved into action.

I called UNI and spoke again to the admissions office.  They had no beds on the adolescent unit but were expecting two or three discharges that weekend. She suggested that I checked with them every 4 hours.  Saturday afternoon, UNI reported that they had a bed, and they would hold it for Ben, but we needed to head to the ER immediately.

We invited Ben to go get ice cream with us. As we got on the freeway heading to Salt Lake, he began to sense that something was going on and tried to get out of the car. Thank heavens for child proof locks! However, by the time we reached the U of U’s ER, he walked in with us with no difficulty. He performed flawlessly with the first two doctors who interviewed him.  He didn’t deny what he said, but said he was just kidding.  Both doctors cleared him to be discharged.  I refused—insisting that he be assessed by a social worker or another mental health professional.  The doctors were not happy but agreed.  The first few minutes with the social worker were the same, but as she began asking more difficult questions, his paranoia became apparent.  She made the arrangements to transport Ben by ambulance from the U of U ER to UNI. And our beloved son was taken—separated from us, beginning a journey we all never expected to be on.  It was about 4 hours later in the waiting room at UNI, that a doctor came down and told us that Ben was very afraid, but had settled down for the night.  He said, “We don’t know yet what is wrong, but your son is very sick.  And you did the right thing in getting him here…..and don’t forget you need to get guardianship by Monday.”

We called our attorney friend to arrange the petition early Sunday morning. And Monday morning, we were sitting in front of a judge asking for guardianship to maintain Ben’s placement.  The judge was clearly very unhappy about it, but gave us 7 days and a demand that if we wished to continue it, our son would need to appear in court himself. 

A week later, a sedated Ben was transported from UNI to the Davis County Courthouse so that we could request to continue guardianship so he could stay on the adolescent unit. In this court hearing as in the first one, our son had to be represented by his own attorney.  Another close neighbor who was a divorce attorney and a Church leader who had worked closely with our son represented him. The judge, still quite hostile to this whole situation, said to my son—“You are 18—an adult.  Why do you want your parents to take back control of you?”  Ben, who had hardly spoken since entering UNI, sat up and clearly stated, “I am sicker than I have ever been in my life.  Why wouldn’t I want my parents to help take care of me.” 

As a side note, we did return to court 6 months later to try to extend that guardianship, but the judge absolutely refused telling our son that he was an adult and he needed to learn to manage his health himself. Here was a judge who clearly didn’t understand severe mental illnesses and the systems and barriers surrounding getting him care. 

During his stay, Ben was diagnosed with schizophrenia and started his first antipsychotic. Upon discharge, he was followed up by a provider at the U of U clinic as we waited still for that June appointment with our insurance psychiatrist.  We went to that appointment but discovered that he had little experience with individuals with schizophrenia, so we returned to the U of U clinic and self-paid for the next five years until we folded all of his care into Davis Behavioral Health.

Lessons Learned

  1. Support Early Psychosis Treatment Centers: We strongly believe in the importance of early psychosis treatment centers that are open to everyone, regardless of insurance status. The sooner a person can get help, the better the long-term prognosis.
  2. Educate Providers: We need to ensure that all health professionals—pediatricians, school counselors, family doctors, even law enforcement—are educated about available resources for early intervention and mental health support. These clinics should be as visible as suicide prevention campaigns.
  3. Make Guardianship Accessible: In times of crisis, guardianship should be a straightforward process. While we had the resources and the people to navigate the legal and financial hurdles, many families don’t. We need to find ways to support parents in securing guardianship when their adult children are unable to care for themselves.
  4. Mental Illness and Homelessness: As society grapples with these issues, it’s essential to remember that these individuals are human beings—someone’s son, daughter, or sibling. Support for families is critical for helping those struggling with mental illness, particularly when they don’t recognize their own need for care and they are in crisis.

I want to end with an incident that happened a month before our son was hospitalized for the first time.  The doorbell rang and I answered it to find my son’s best friend standing on our porch with a plate of cookies.  He said shyly, “I haven’t seen Ben around anymore and I know he isn’t doing well.  I didn’t know what to do so I asked my mom to make him a plate of cookies.” It was a simple moment—and a plate of cookies didn’t fix anything, but it stood and stands as a beacon to me—we are not alone, people cared about Ben and about us—It is terrible to be living with these severe brain disorders, and it can feel impossible sometimes to care for someone with one.  We as a society need to do better to help those impacted and the families who love them.  Thank you.

The Symposium for Salt Lake County Law Enforcement, Legal, and Mental Health Workers (Sept. 24)

Since April/May, our coalition (Utah Shattering Silence Coalition) has been working with the Salt Lake DA's office to organize and support this workshop.  I didn't really do much pre-work other than brainstorming and doing an interview which was cut down to 5 minutes and shown as one of the videos on the day of the conference.

I had to provide a photo for our bios as I was also one of the presenters at the conference.  We took several--and we ended up using my Facebook profile which has Gary and I which I liked better.  But for future generations--here is a photo of me at 70 years old---NOT to be used for a funeral program in the future, by the way. 

The conference was held in Salt Lake at the DA's office so everyone had to go through a metal detector to enter the venue.  (One psychiatrist who was coming to the office as an expert witness ended up accidently thinking he had to register at our desk as well to get into the offices of the attorney he was meeting with. Oops.) 
I ran the registration table for the conference (and 5:50 is way too early for me to get up these days.)

My presentation was focused on finding help for Ben when he first got ill and some of our adventures in that process.  I have included the script although I didn't read it when I present it.  It is fairly close to what I shared.  People were very complimentary so that was good.  I didn't realize that they were going to play my video in a group of three as we transitioned from lunch into my presentation and so mine was shown right before I spoke.  I also didn't know what part of my 30 minutes interview was going to be shown at the conference.  As it turned out, it focused most on our personal story and experiences which was a nice lead in for my remarks, but also allowed me to shorten a few things in my remarks.  (And I am glad that I didn't wear the same shirt in the interview for the workshop.  That would have felt a bit awkward.  :) )

We ended up having about 110 people register for in person (probably about 90 attended and an amazing 180 people online.  Hopefully it will start some conversations and move things in a better direction in both Salt Lake County and in the state.

Glad to have it done and I don't think it could have gone any better. (Even the lunch menu was awesome.) Sim Gill, the SL DA, is hoping to do a town hall meeting next spring to continue this conversation.  Exciting stuff----

Our next big event is a movie screening of "Nobody Likes Crazy People" in December, but we have lots of work to do before then preparing for the upcoming legislative session in the spring.